If you've read the original post carefully, you should be able to see beyond any fears of a select group of people trying to grab some power. In all the internal discussions we’ve had, power hasn't been mentioned a single time. However, something that was brought up every time, was the need to keep this clean, with no dictatorships or any possible action that could lead to any kind of strangling the community.
Anyway, it could have been a mistake to publicly release a statement. It would have been better to use a system like the old Round Table, where people could apply to join the discussion. At least that would have filtered out the completely passive side of the community, which seems to be the part that dreams about mod police, rules and public flogging. And incidentally, it's that part of the community that will eventually suffer from the growing situation where modding becomes 'tinkering with files I have found on the net', or simple hacking. Compare it to a bunch of parasites. Sometimes I feel people like that are digging their own graves. They say 'no' to everything, yet demand to be listened to when modders seem to take too long for a car or track to be developed, for instance. But it certainly isn’t always limited to that.
For the record, there have been a number of occasions when people would step up into gaps that were made by people leaving the community, and those people immediately started putting little © signs on everything they did. What if one of you decides to step up, fill a gap, and see countless hours of yours being cannibalized by people putting © signs on 'their' work? Can we simply close our eyes and assume that this situation is going to improve at all? When all 'arrogant' modders have been killed by a particular segment of the community, what makes you think they won't suddenly decide that these new people are becoming rather arrogant as well? The thought of that somehow reminds me of a revolution, where the mob sentences the king into exile. What makes you think or hope that the mob would be any better? In fact, history has proven that kind of situation to be worse, in a lot of cases.
That doesn’t necessarily have to do with power and policing. It certainly isn’t something we would like to accomplish anyway. The community just isn't a particularly healthy place, to live and grow. I don’t think anyone who is or has been active in the community can deny that. The first ones to ‘die’ will be those who spend nearly all their energy on scratch built content, because, respect shown or not, that content will be attacked and hacked. Oh, and the authors will be called arrogant when they show their faces.
Next in line will be those who 'need' that kind of new content, to simply convert it to other platforms, because there won't be any of that left, unless it was simply taken from another/new game.
And then F1 mods, for instance, could consist of taking a car model they found somewhere on the net, tweaking and butchering it into a 2012 version and slapping a MS Paint texture on it.
In the end we'll all be driving box cars on square tracks. And we'll still be racing on the countless versions of GPL and NR2003 conversions for instance, even though they are publicly known to be inaccurate. But hey, we're having fun!
In the end, discussions about this on different fora have given everyone the perfect opportunity to let their voice be heard. And to all the "I don't need to be told what I'm supposed to do; I bought the game and it's all mine and I do with it what I want" people, please feel free to do so. It is what you want and I personally will certainly not be trying to stop you at all. But remember that one day you might end up creating your own mods based on what you have found on the net today, and that you will be doing all the modding yourself when no one else can be bothered to live inside a place like this and give up their time building the mods for you to enjoy. You'd still be doing with your game what you want though.
It's not a matter of the arrogant and evil police modders threatening to leave the community (and flog a 1000 men in the process); it's simply a matter of 'the community' being a reasonable home for all, and above all, a sustainable place to live as a modder. When some say it isn't a healthy place right now, it could mean that there's no motivation or desire to keep doing what they are doing: building mods from scratch that involves a lot of work.
Think of it as natural evolution, where the people who build 100% scratch built mods are being phased out right now because the environment has changed in a way they can no longer survive in a healthy or productive way. And with them dies a lot of knowledge, research and experimenting they've been doing. It is them who have been leaving most of all in the last few months/years. Do we really want to lose that part of the community? And once they're gone, do you think a whole new generation of scratch builders will step up? Quality could suffer during the first few years, but I’m sure they will be able to learn and improve just like we did ages ago. And once they've learnt all the tricks, some will undoubtedly tag them as being 'arrogant' as well. The place would still be unhealthy, and so they leave. No one would be encouraged to even try.
As for the ever-returning reply that modders should simply leave if they cannot accept that their work will be ruthlessly ripped, please consider that one day, there may be no more fish in the modding waters. Modders who have the courage (and time?) to create something from scratch are a vast minority in the community, with a shrinking trend too. Is that something that the community – the entire community – would want to happen? Or is there a way to allow respect and knowledge to be shared on a healthy level?
Oh, and for those who can't be bothered reading all the above, just imagine I said a lot about rules, police, punishment, public flogging and all that kind of exciting stuff. It sadly is how it will be interpreted by some anyway.
Sonntag, 7. Juni 2009
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I often saw such community troubles before and this subject (leeching) come back every here and now but for me (as an amateur tool maker and content creator), and even if modders deserve the greatest respect, they also sometimes have to know where they come from.
AntwortenLöschenAs we all build content with no money earning in mind, it means we're all amateur guys, tweaking and enhancing games to better fit our game vision and for our own pleasure. Our own and by extension because the internet let us share our pleasure, to everyone's pleasure.
But at first, we created things the way WE liked it. Only once we're fully (or almost) happy with our job with the time and energy we put in it, only then these files are shared. Past this point, files are no more ours.
people will download them, (try to) use them, some will tweak them again, or share them on their site...
That's the way it is.
I can hear some saying: "but this is our files, we made them, we put time and energy in them and they rebranded them..." Absolutely. And some will even sell them under their names.
But has the creator loose anything ?
He realised his dream, he created the files he wanted to and put the time and energy HE decided to put in it. He then shared his work with others and 99% of the people are rewarding them (often by asking them even better mods or new ones :)). Then there's 1% who don't know who is the real author of the mod they downloaded but by the way, they enjoyed your work too. And when they will search for more work from this kind, they will surely discover one day or another who is the real author and left the stealer.
So respect is due to modders (and to game makers too, we must never forget THEY are the first source of modding) and leechers have to be hunt down but it's definitely too sad for a community to loose his best people for stealers, while those people did the best work they wanted too and gave pleasure to people they wanted to please. What a modder could be seeking more about ?
Best regards,
Lo2k